mitt romney said he would of course support the ryan budget. now he is saying that is not my budget, that is his budget but he would sign it if it came to his desk. but the point is to criticize cuts that your running mate, the person you think is best qualified to step in for you, also endorsed along with the bulk of the republican conference, you know is a little bit disenagainous. >> bill: on the issue of tax cuts it is $4.8 trillion but he said it is not going to add to the deficit, because he will offset that loss in revenue by closing tax loopholes. he hasn't identified which loopholes he would close or which programs he would cut other than pbs. >> right. >> bill: big bird. here we go right. substantial savings? >> well of course not. as we know it's actually less than .01 of 1%. and it's funny how these debates shake out. i think if you look at the polls, mitt romney at least in the immediate aftermath has gotten a bump. he has improved his standings from where he was. but one of the things that -- that i have noticed as an observer of